Original discussion is partially quoted in here, thread is archived at:

http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?4:mss:209:200306:nhnacekcfbbhichggfpk

These are the emails I got approving the change to a zlib license. I have

removed the authors' email addresses for spam safety. --ryan.

From xxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jun 9 07:56:24 2003

Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:17:18 +0100

From: Adam D. Moss <xxxxxxxxx>

Reply-To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

"I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own

in PhysicsFS" (and think it's generally a swell idea...)

> Adam D. Moss

> ------------

> extras/abs-file.h (need you to sign off on whole file):

> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/co.php/extras/abs-file.h?rt=physfs&r=1.3

--

Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ xxxxxxxxx http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3

"Responsible parents don't raise kids in West Virginia."

From xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jun 9 16:45:02 2003

Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:37:31 -0700

From: Bradley Bell <xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Reply-To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

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Quoting "Ryan C. Gordon" <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Please discuss.

Sounds fine to me. And it makes it easier for me to use it in d2x. (which has a

very confusing license)

-brad

From xxxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jun 9 16:45:12 2003

Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:00:13 -0700

From: David Hedbor <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

As mentioned before, I'm all for the license change since it would

benefit me personally.

--

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-- Johnny Carson

From xxxxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jun 9 16:45:22 2003

Date: 09 Jun 2003 14:13:00 -0500

From: Edward Rudd <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Reply-To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

To: "physfs@icculus.org" <physfs@icculus.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 05:50, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

That's fine with me.. You have permissions from me.

>

> Edward Rudd

> -----------

> RPM specfile (need you to sign off on whole file):

> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/physfs.spec.in?rt=physfs

--

Edward Rudd <xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Home Page <http://urkle.drip.ws/>

From xxxxxxxxxxx Wed Jun 11 13:15:28 2003

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:43:43 -0700 (PDT)

From: Eric Wing <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

Hi Ryan,

Sorry for the delayed response. (email troubles at

Stanford among other things)

I approve of a switch to the zlib license for

code I own in PhysicsFS, so you can sign off

everything I have there.

Thanks,

Eric

--- "Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

wrote:

>

> I like to be helpful when people ask me questions

> about PhysicsFS. I may not

> always have an immediate solution, but I hate

> telling people "that can't be

> done at all".

>

> There is one problem that comes up a lot at which I

> just have to shrug my

> shoulders, and that's distribution.

>

> PhysicsFS, being LGPL'd, can not be statically

> linked to a closed-source

> program. Generally this is not an obstacle so much

> as an annoyance for the

> application developer, since they need to ship a

> shared library and do some

> other legal tapdancing (hey, _someone_ will be a

> pain and demand a copy of the

> physfs source tree by postal mail someday!). End

> result: developers unhappily

> put up with distribution issues and possible bug

> reports, or they do without.

>

> There are places where this annoyance can be a

> showstopper, though. For

> example, I was contacted about a year ago by a game

> shop that wanted to use

> PhysicsFS in a PlayStation 2 title, since the

> PhysicsFS API combined with

> its efficient zipfile archiver is _very_ appealing

> in light of the PSX2's

> awful native filesystem limitations.

>

> How does one ship an LGPL'd library in a console

> game? End users can't relink

> the bugger, after all. Furthermore, their legal

> department had a fit when they

> heard about the "viral" nature of the license when

> statically linking it...

> there is no such thing as "dynamic" linking on a

> PlayStation 2.

>

> Now, here's the lesson for any future project

> maintainers: either don't accept

> patches, or make sure you own the copyright on _all_

> the code before accepting

> it. I have poured years of effort into PhysicsFS,

> but I don't own all the code,

> so I couldn't just grant a license exemption to this

> console developer. End

> result: they did without.

>

> I don't like my own hands being tied by my own

> license. That really doesn't

> seem fair to me.

>

> So for these reasons, I've decided to switch

> PhysicsFS to the zlib license.

> The end result of this is that there will be no

> confusion as to how you can

> use the library ("any way you like") and how you can

> distribute it ("any way

> you like"). The only significant loss is that

> contributers are no longer

> legally obligated to give back source changes, but

> I'm confident that

> developers will if it's generally useful and

> relevant to the public. At least,

> I don't think we should license the library with the

> assumption that

> programmers must have their hands forced to do the

> right thing.

>

> For those that aren't aware of the zlib license,

> here it is. zlib is used in

> all sorts of software without you needing to think

> about it (including

> PhysicsFS), and the license is by far the simplest

> I've ever seen. This is

> the text:

>

> Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders>

>

> This software is provided 'as-is', without any

> express or implied warranty.

> In no event will the authors be held liable for

> any damages arising from

> the use of this software.

>

> Permission is granted to anyone to use this

> software for any purpose,

> including commercial applications, and to alter

> it and redistribute it

> freely, subject to the following restrictions:

>

> 1. The origin of this software must not be

> misrepresented; you must not

> claim that you wrote the original software. If

> you use this software in a

> product, an acknowledgment in the product

> documentation would be

> appreciated but is not required.

>

> 2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked

> as such, and must not be

> misrepresented as being the original software.

>

> 3. This notice may not be removed or altered from

> any source distribution.

>

>

> That's that.

>

>

> Here's how this works: I've compiled a list of all

> contributors to PhysicsFS

> and what was contributed. I need from these people a

> message saying that they

> will approve a switch to the zlib license. Nothing

> fancy, just quote this

> email and say something like "I approve of a switch

> to the zlib license for

> code I own in PhysicsFS." You still own the

> copyright on that bit of code, but

> it'll be under the zlib license.

>

> I can't switch the license until all the developers,

> below, give me permission,

> or their code has been replaced or removed.

>

> If you contributed something and I missed you,

> please let me know. If I don't

> hear from you, I'll try to track you down. If I

> can't track you down, we've

> got to remove or replace your code.

>

> For application developers and end users: you use

> any code up until we switch

> under the LGPL. After the switch, you can use the

> older code under the LGPL

> and the new code under the zlib license. You have

> less restrictions with the

> zlib license, so you'll probably want to upgrade.

>

>

> Please discuss.

>

> --ryan.

>

>

>

> Contributors:

> I tried to list everything, but the LGPL says you

> can cut-and-paste up to ten

> lines of code, so if you fixed a few typos, you

> might not be listed here. If

> this is a concern, please speak up.

>

>

>

> David Hedbor

> ------------

> Patch to handle situation when CWD is deleted out

> from under program:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.22&r2=1.23&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.11&r2=1.12&ty=u

>

> Patch to make PHYSFS_setSaneConfig() set Write

> Directory correctly:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.23&r2=1.24&ty=u

>

> PocketPC patches:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/pocketpc.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.1&r2=1.2&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/archivers/zip.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.61&r2=1.62&ty=u

>

>

> Patrick Stein

> -------------

> More-portable __PHYSFS_platformTimeslice() for

> Unix:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.12&r2=1.13&ty=u

>

> General BSD-ish (but originally for Darwin) CD-ROM

> detection:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.13&r2=1.14&ty=u

>

>

> Gregory S. Read

> ---------------

> Lots of Win32 work (need you to sign off on whole

> file):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/platform/win32.c?rt=physfs

>

> Microsoft .NET bindings (need you to sign off on

> whole directory tree):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/extras/PhysFS.NET?rt=physfs

>

>

> John Hall

> ---------

> PHYSFS_getLastModTime() API:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.39&r2=1.40&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/macclassic.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.9&r2=1.10&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/posix.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.1&r2=1.2&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/skeleton.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.3&r2=1.4&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/win32.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.18&r2=1.19&ty=u

>

>

> Alexander Pipelka

> -----------------

> configure.in fixes:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/configure.in?rt=physfs&r1=1.19&r2=1.20&ty=u

>

> doOpen() fix:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/posix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.6&r2=1.7&ty=u

>

> Strange $PATH fix:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.38&r2=1.39&ty=u

>

>

> Edward Rudd

> -----------

> RPM specfile (need you to sign off on whole file):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/physfs.spec.in?rt=physfs

>

>

> Ed Sinjiashvili

> ---------------

> Various Russian translations:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.33&r2=1.34&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.34&r2=1.35&ty=u

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.37&r2=1.38&ty=u

>

> Ruby bindings (need you to sign off on whole

> directory tree):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/extras/physfs_rb?rt=physfs

>

> QPAK archiver (need you to sign off on whole file):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/archivers/qpak.c?rt=physfs

>

>

> Pedro J. P^Îrez

> ---------------

> Spanish translation:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.35&r2=1.36&ty=u

>

>

> Stepane Peter

> -------------

> French translation:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.36&r2=1.37&ty=u

>

>

> Michael Renner

> --------------

> German translation:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/physfs_internal.h?rt=physfs&r1=1.42&r2=1.43&ty=u

>

>

> Adam D. Moss

> ------------

> extras/abs-file.h (need you to sign off on whole

> file):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/co.php/extras/abs-file.h?rt=physfs&r=1.3

>

>

> "Corona688"

> -----------

> Initial PocketPC port (need you to sign off on

> whole file):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/co.php/platform/pocketpc.c?rt=physfs&r=1.1

>

>

> Eric Wing

> ---------

> Apple Project Builder build system (need you to

> sign off on whole dir tree):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/PBProjects?rt=physfs

>

> MacOS X Application Bundle workarounds:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&r1=1.39&r2=1.40&ty=u

>

>

> Colin Bayer

> -----------

> Debian package support (need you to sign off on

> whole directory tree):

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/debian?rt=physfs

>

>

> Bradley Bell

> ------------

> HOG archiver:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/archivers/hog.c?rt=physfs

>

> MVL archiver:

>

>

http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/cvs.php/archivers/mvl.c?rt=physfs

>

>

>

>

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From xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fri Jun 20 18:07:25 2003

Date: 16 Jun 2003 16:41:31 +0200

From: Alexander Pipelka <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: "icculus@clutteredmind.org" <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: [physfs] License change proposition.

Hi Ryan,

No problem. Please change the licensing model as you like.

Alex

PS: Sorry for my late reply, I just returned from vacation.

Am Mon, 2003-06-09 um 12.50 schrieb Ryan C. Gordon:

> Alexander Pipelka

> -----------------

> configure.in fixes:

> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/configure.in?rt=physfs&r1=1.19&r2=1.20&ty=u

>

> doOpen() fix:

> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/posix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.6&r2=1.7&ty=u

>

> Strange $PATH fix:

> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/platform/unix.c?rt=physfs&ws=0&r1=1.38&r2=1.39&ty=u

From xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thu Jul 10 03:27:43 2003

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:10:16 -0700

From: "xxxxxxxxxxx" <xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: "icculus@icculus.org" <icculus@icculus.org>

Subject: physfs

I hereby assign the copyright of any changes I have made to PhysicsFS to Ryan Gordon.

And thanks for asking, even though I obviously wouldn't have a problem with this.

-John

From xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thu Jul 10 04:26:07 2003

Date: 10 Jul 2003 01:23:25 -0700

From: Colin Bayer <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@icculus.org>

Subject: physicsfs/zlib

> Here's how this works: I've compiled a list of all contributors to

PhysicsFS

> and what was contributed. I need from these people a message saying that they

> will approve a switch to the zlib license. Nothing fancy, just quote this

> email and say something like "I approve of a switch to the zlib license for

> code I own in PhysicsFS." You still own the copyright on that bit of code, but

> it'll be under the zlib license.

I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own in PhysicsFS.

-- Colin Bayer <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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From xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thu Jul 10 14:40:34 2003

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:17:00 -0500

From: Patrick Stein <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: PhysicsFS license change.

Wow... forgot that I had ever written anything for that...

Anyhow... in addition to having no problems with you

changing the license.... I also give to you any say in

any future matters pertaining to the two or three lines

of code that I sent you. 8^)

alter,

Patrick

On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

>

> Hey there,

>

> I'm looking to change the licensing on PhysicsFS from LGPL to the zlib

> license. The long explanation is here:

>

>

> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-

> cgi?4:mss:209:200306:nhnacekcfbbhichggfpk

>

> If you're reading this, it means that I never got a response on the

> mailing list, either because you aren't subscribed, or because you

> missed

> it, and this is the last email address I have for you....but I need

> explicit permission from you to convert code you wrote (even if it was

> just a natural language translation) to a different license.

>

> If you don't mind switching to zlib, please respond with something

> along

> the lines of "I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own

> in

> PhysicsFS."

>

> If you have any problems, that's okay, too, just let me know.

>

> Thanks,

> --ryan.

>

From xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thu Jul 10 14:40:40 2003

Date: 10 Jul 2003 11:33:26 -0700

From: Stephane Peter <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: PhysicsFS license change.

You know, I don't think I ever contributed code to physfs, but if you

manage to find out something I may have, then you have my approval to

switch it to the zlib license...

On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:07, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

> Hey there,

>

> I'm looking to change the licensing on PhysicsFS from LGPL to the zlib

> license. The long explanation is here:

>

> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?4:mss:209:200306:nhnacekcfbbhichggfpk

>

> If you're reading this, it means that I never got a response on the

> mailing list, either because you aren't subscribed, or because you missed

> it, and this is the last email address I have for you....but I need

> explicit permission from you to convert code you wrote (even if it was

> just a natural language translation) to a different license.

>

> If you don't mind switching to zlib, please respond with something along

> the lines of "I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own in

> PhysicsFS."

>

> If you have any problems, that's okay, too, just let me know.

>

> Thanks,

> --ryan.

--

Stephane Peter

Sr. Software Engineer

Codehost, Inc.

From xxxxxxxxxxxx Thu Jul 10 21:07:13 2003

Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:08:44 +0200 (CEST)

From: Michael Renner <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: PhysicsFS license change.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

>

> Hey there,

>

> I'm looking to change the licensing on PhysicsFS from LGPL to the zlib

> license. The long explanation is here:

Hi Ryan!

For your mailfilters:

"I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own in PhysicsFS."

The change of license makes sense, what use is a library when the target

audience is reluctant to use it. Keep up the good work.

Btw. if you need any other non-babelfish english -> german translations

just contact me.

best regards,

michael renner

From xxxxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jul 14 16:36:06 2003

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:57:28 -0400

From: Gregory S. Read <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: PhysicsFS license change.

I have no problem with you licensing my contributed code for PhysFS to

the zlib licensing.

Have a nice day.

Greg

Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

>Hey there,

>

>I'm looking to change the licensing on PhysicsFS from LGPL to the zlib

>license. The long explanation is here:

>

> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?4:mss:209:200306:nhnacekcfbbhichggfpk

>

>If you're reading this, it means that I never got a response on the

>mailing list, either because you aren't subscribed, or because you missed

>it, and this is the last email address I have for you....but I need

>explicit permission from you to convert code you wrote (even if it was

>just a natural language translation) to a different license.

>

>If you don't mind switching to zlib, please respond with something along

>the lines of "I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own in

>PhysicsFS."

>

>If you have any problems, that's okay, too, just let me know.

>

>Thanks,

>--ryan.

>

>

>

>

From xxxxxxxxxxxx Mon Jul 14 16:36:15 2003

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:26:38 -0600

From: Tyler Montbriand <xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: Re: PhysicsFS license change.

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Hello. Sorry for delay in reply, things've been messed up for the last couple

while..

I think that changing it to the Zlib license is a great idea... never

realized there were those sort of complications with the LGPL - thought it

was a much less restrictive license than your plain vanilla GPL, but I guess

not less restrictive enough. I've no problem at all with you putting any of

the code I've contributed under the Zlib license.

-Tyler Montbriand/Corona688

On Thursday 10 July 2003 12:07 pm, you wrote:

> Hey there,

>

> I'm looking to change the licensing on PhysicsFS from LGPL to the zlib

> license. The long explanation is here:

>

>

> http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?4:mss:209:200306:nhnacekcfbbhich

>ggfpk

>

> If you're reading this, it means that I never got a response on the

> mailing list, either because you aren't subscribed, or because you missed

> it, and this is the last email address I have for you....but I need

> explicit permission from you to convert code you wrote (even if it was

> just a natural language translation) to a different license.

>

> If you don't mind switching to zlib, please respond with something along

> the lines of "I approve of a switch to the zlib license for code I own in

> PhysicsFS."

>

> If you have any problems, that's okay, too, just let me know.

>

> Thanks,

> --ryan.

From xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sun Jul 20 23:59:48 2003

Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:09:24 +0400

From: Ed Sinjiashvili <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: Ryan C. Gordon <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Subject: PhysicsFS license change

Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:15:32 +0400

Resent-From: Ed Sinjiashvili <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Resent-To: "Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@clutteredmind.org>

Hi,

I have just read the news on icculus.org and I guess I'm one of the

two contributors you could not contact (at least I did not got any

mails from PhysicsFS mailing list for quite a while - so I did not

know what was happenning).

I really have no problems with this licence switch from LGPL to zlib

and I agree to sign all my contributions (qpak archiver, ruby bindings

and russian translations) under zlib.

I saw that you removed all my contributions from PhysicsFS - now that

I agreed to license change you could revert them.

-- Ed

P.S. I have mail on icculus.org - if you can't reach me I guess

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is always possible.